Investment Clubs Under Threat

ShareSoc and SIGnet are here to help 

For quite some time it has become increasingly difficult to open dealing accounts for investment clubs, with ever fewer platforms offering the service. Matters have now come to a head, with interactive investor withdrawing its service and requiring its investment club clients to either close their accounts or transfer to another provider. 

ShareSoc and SIGnet have been asked for help by members who participate in investment clubs. 

Possible platform solution 

We have been in contact with a major platform, encouraging them to provide an offering. Regrettably they have declined to do so, due to the requirement for all club members under each account to be vetted annually against anti money-laundering (AML) and Politically Exposed Persons (PEPs) criteria.  

Whilst automated mechanisms are in place for individual client accounts, the process would have to be undertaken manually for club members, causing excessive costs and complications for the platform. 

We have explored other alternatives, and it appears that Interactive Brokers (one of the largest investment platforms globally) is prepared to offer accounts to investment clubs. 

To open a club account with them, an investment club will first need to obtain an “LEI”. London Stock Exchange Group offers an LEI provision service, available here: https://www.lseg.com/en/data-analytics/market-data/data-analytics-pricing/data-symbology/lei. Several other providers are available. 

Once you have an LEI, you can proceed with an application for an Interactive Brokers account at: https://www.interactivebrokers.co.uk/Universal/servlet/formWelcome?p=100&atype=ORG&ibsrp=609 

Select “Institutions” on the left-hand side of that page. 

Interactive Brokers’ sales agent says: 

“At the end of the application, you will have the option to upload the documents.  

We will need: 

  • Proof of existence 
  • Proof of principal place of business 
  • List of partners in the investment club 
  • Proof of address and identity for all the partners in the investment club 
  • LEI number for the investment club” 


We would be delighted to hear from any clubs that go through this process – whether successful, or not. Just provide your feedback through the comments section beneath this article. If you need support to complete the account application process, we can provide contact details of the relevant Interactive Brokers sales agent.
 

Once we know that clubs have been able to complete this process successfully, ShareSoc will prevail on interactive investor to extend their 31st October deadline to allow time for transfer of club assets. 

Alternative solution 

Alternatively, if continuing to run an investment club is becoming too daunting, there is a similar and simpler alternative route.  

SIGnet (part of ShareSoc) is a national network of individual investors who meet regularly in groups to discuss investment in quoted companies, investment trusts and ETFs. SIGnet groups have many similarities with investment clubs, the primary difference being that the group does not invest collectively – all members make their own decisions on how to invest their own portfolios. For most, that brings the advantage that funds can grow tax free in an ISA and / or SIPP.  

SIGnet has over 50 groups across the UK, each group typically having 10-15 members. Groups meet when and where is suitable for their members. We are growing, adding approximately 1 new group every month.  

We are already in the process of converting one investment club to a SIGnet group, and are in the early stages with a second. We would welcome a discussion with any other clubs which might be interested in doing likewise.  

SIGnet members take their investing seriously but, as with investment clubs, there is also a strong interpersonal element, and many longstanding friendships that form. The network was formed 27 years ago and many of the original groups remain; we still have founding members as regular attendees.   

SIGnet brings several advantages to investment clubs who decide to convert: a proven track record of recruiting new members and administering groups; organised visits to investee companies; knowledge sharing across the group and the network; a monthly newsletter; and the SIGnet Challenge, a fantasy investment competition in which groups compete for an annual prize – not quite the same as investing collectively, but  a structure in which to design a collective portfolio. Although most of our groups are generalist, discussing all aspects of investing, we have several specialist groups which might appeal to some – e.g. US, UK Small & Mid Cap, and several income investing groups.  

If you are a member of an investment club and think your club might consider becoming a SIGnet group, please contact us to arrange a call with Bill Fawkner-Corbett (Head of SIGnet), who can provide more details and answer any questions.  

13 Comments
  1. John Calvert says:

    Our Investment Club is going through the process of applying for an account with Interactive Brokers (IBKR). I have to say it is quite tortuous, and I wouldn’t have been able to do it without help from Interactive Brokers sales staff.
    As for an LEI, I stated we didn’t have one, and the application offers that Interactive Brokers will apply on our behalf. Watch this space.
    So, we have reached the stage where our application for an account is in, and now waiting approval.
    No doubt there will be more questions along the way, but I will keep you informed of progress.

  2. Nick Williams says:

    We have posted comments on the sme forum about IBKR and with reference to John Calvert’s experience.
    The LEI is not a problem. The sticking point is their demand for a UTR which, of course, clubs don’t normally have, but they are obtainable for unincorporated associations if they pay corporation tax!.
    The application can be progressed if one enters one’s own UTR but this might be unwise.
    We await news…..

  3. John Calvert says:

    Update. We are making progress. This morning I’ve been asked to fund the account to obtain an LEI. They have also asked for a full list of members, (so far only got my details), and proof of ownership. So, not over the finish line yet, but it’s looking more hopeful.

  4. Mark Bentley says:

    ShareSoc has been contacted by boutique brokerage GHC Capital Markets Limited. They’ve indicated that they’re prepared to offer a service to investment clubs.

    They’re a small firm, so anyone considering using them would need to do their own due diligence before opening an account.

    Best,

    Mark

  5. Mark Bentley says:

    Interactive Brokers’ UK CEO has confirmed that they will offer accounts to UK investment clubs: https://www.interactivebrokers.eu/campus/podcasts/ibkr-podcasts/ibkr-unfolded-the-swiss-army-knife-of-investment-clubs/

  6. John Calvert says:

    Morning everyone. I’ve been hanging back, hoping I’d be able to tell you we had succeeded in opening an account with IBKR, but we are still not quite there yet. Problem is they are busy, so they ask a question, we reply, then it can be two days before that’s looked at, then another question, etc. so it takes time. Do persevere.
    So, right now we have answered all their questions, ticked all the boxes, provided all the information, and got the green light on Friday that we could fund the account, though the application is still awaiting final approval, so I’m hopeful.
    We had to provide constitution, proof of authority to open an account, photo ID of officers, full list of members with percentage held by each and complete a W8-BEN.
    Nothing happens over the week-end so I’m hoping to get final approval Monday or Tuesday, when I’ll report back either way.

  7. Cliff Kane says:

    A UTR appears to be an individuals reference number so each club member would have to register for self-assessment in order to obtain one. Constitution, authority, photo ID (can this be photocopy of drivers licence), members and percentages are all fairly easy to sort out. But, does the W8-BEN need to be signed by all members?

  8. John Brookes says:

    Hi, I’m treasurer of our local Investment Club and finding your experiences very helpful.
    I’ve succeeded in getting an LEI, but the rest of the IBKR application process is proving tortuous. When I’ve called it tends to get diverted to India or Switzerland, who don’t appear to be up to speed with UK CEO Gerry Perez desire to sign up Investment Clubs.
    In the section ‘Purpose of Entity’ none of the 5 options appear to align to Investment Clubs…John as you seemed to progress reasonably, which one did you choose?
    I can see that providing UTR’s for all individual members will be administratively problematic.
    Anyway any further advice would be gratefully received.
    Thanks
    The section Purpose

  9. My firm maybe able to assist. See the website https://www.gpimlimited.com/.

    The easiest thing would be to send an initial email to myself at :
    ehs@gpimlimited.com for further discussion.

  10. John Calvert says:

    @John Brookes Sorry for not replying sooner, but only just checked here again. In my conversation with IBKR they acknowledged they didn’t have an option for investment clubs. I was told it didn’t matter which I selected, as IBKR already knew we were an Investment Club. So, go with the nearest one. John
    PS Our application is accepted. Now waiting approval.

  11. John Calvert says:

    Well, it’s over with Interactive Brokers for us. I received an email from them this morning stating “We require investment clubs to have a legal personality, an UTR and LEI. If you don’t have a legal personality, the applicant is going to be rejected.”
    This was closely followed by a rejection email.
    I guess this is because an Investment Club is a loose association of friends/investors who each take responsibility for their own tax affairs, so does not comply.
    So we now have to find another broker, or call it a day. Just a shame it took them three weeks to arrive at this decision.

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